Eden
00:00
I only have 435 hours and 11 minutes of space left on this hard drive, so we better make this quick.

Peter
00:06
Okay, if we get to 434 hours, I'm calling it. It has to stop.

Eden
00:11
Okay. Okay. Well, let me do the math real quick. Let's see, 435 divided by 24— it's only 18.1 days. We can do that. 18 days straight of podcasting? I believe in us.

Peter
00:32
We can totally do that.

Eden
00:34
That's totally doable.

Peter
00:35
Totally doable.

Eden
00:36
All right. Let's do this thing for 18 days.

Peter
00:38
All right. Perfect.

Eden
00:53
Welcome back to the start of our 18-day podcast-a-thon. I hope you don't need to use the bathroom.

Peter
00:58
I already put in my own catheter and rectal trumpet.

Eden
01:02
There we go.

Peter
01:03
Hey, look, I'm a professional. I don't screw around.

Eden
01:08
Clearly. Clearly, you're prepared. You were more prepared than I was. I'm just gonna piss into a bottle.

Peter
01:12
Nope, nope, catheter's in. It's going down my leg. My right calf is real warm.

Eden
01:17
I learned from the Amazon drivers. So into the bottle.

Peter
01:22
Yeah. Well, I'm a urologist and I have ample access to catheters, so you know, I'm just taking advantage.

Eden
01:28
There you go. I'm pretty sure all this needs to go in the podcast now.

Peter
01:31
Well, this is all going in the podcast. This is a hundred percent.

Eden
01:36
Well, hi, dear listeners. I'm Eden, and I don't actually have a bottle I'm going to pee into, because we're not going to be podcasting for 18 days.

Peter
01:46
And I am Peter, who also does not have either a rectal trumpet or a catheter fully in place, because we will not be podcasting for 18 days.

Eden
01:57
Rectal trumpet. What a term.

Peter
01:59
Yep. It's great. It's a little thing when somebody's in the ICU, they're intubated, sedated, and you're giving them tube feeds, their stools often come out fairly liquid. And so, to keep everybody sane, including the patient, and avoid skin breakdown and prevent the nurses from having to constantly change their pool of stool, you insert a rectal trumpet, which then just drains that soft, liquidy stool away. There is an odor to a room in which a rectal trumpet is being used.

Eden
02:34
I can imagine. The thing that it makes me think of, though, is those drawings from medieval manuscripts of the guys shoving trumpets up their buttholes. That's basically what it sounds like it is.

Peter
02:46
Yeah, well, it is— fortunately it is a softer version that then connects to a nice long tube and a bag.

Eden
02:56
Well, what a gross start. How are you doing, Peter? I brought that on myself. I'm the one who wanted to talk more about rectal trumpets, so that's on me.

Peter
03:04
Yeah. You opened me up for it, so I can always talk about gross medical things. No, I'm doing okay. Hanging in there. Before we started recording we were talking— the weather is changing a little bit where I'm at. We've had some rainy days actually. The grass is surprisingly green because of all that. And our temperatures have been nice, like it's getting down into the fifties overnight and only hitting the mid-to-high seventies during the day, for the most part. A little bit up into the eighties, but we've had more seventies than we'll have coming eighties.

Eden
03:43
Very jealous.

Peter
03:44
Yeah.

Eden
03:44
My AC hasn't turned off since 7 AM this morning. It's been blowing all day. The roughest part's gonna be when the MidAmerican bill comes. But what are you gonna do? Anyway, what have you been up to? What have you been checking out? Anything fun?

Peter
04:06
Interestingly, not a whole lot. I'm slowly sort of chipping away at a few different books. I decided on a whim that I would start reading the Iliad. So I'm reading the Iliad.

Eden
04:21
What was the whim?

Peter
04:23
Well, we'll talk about it in a moment. But listen, I went to see the Odyssey. So I thought, I'll read the Iliad. We all read the Odyssey in high school, but we never read the Iliad, so I thought I would read the Iliad. And then I'm gonna read the Odyssey, and then I'm gonna read the Aeneid.

Eden
04:39
That's interesting. I'm pretty sure we read the Iliad and not the Odyssey when I was in high school.

Peter
04:42
Okay. Yeah, no, for us it was all the Odyssey and made reference to the Iliad, but we did not read the Iliad. So I'm doing that. I'm reading a book called The Great Mental Models by Shane Parrish— just, you know, how to think about things differently, how to draw on mental models to address things. And reading— I haven't really listened to much of The Expanse lately. So it's mostly been music and a couple movies. So we did go see the Odyssey. Have you seen the Odyssey, Eden?

Eden
05:14
Yes. When we were out in New York, we went with Cassie's brother-in-law— or well, Cassie's brother, my brother-in-law— and his wife, we went to go see the Odyssey when we were out there.

Peter
05:25
Okay, nice. What do you think?

Eden
05:28
What'd you think? Listeners know my feelings about Christopher Nolan as a director, I believe, at this point. I just don't care for his movies very much. They leave me fairly cold. I liked Oppenheimer quite a bit. I like Memento. Those are the two that I would bother watching again, I think, at this point in my life. The Odyssey was fine. He still can't write a woman that's not a shrill caricature if his life depends on it.

Peter
06:03
Yep, I would agree with that.

Eden
06:04
And that remains true. Anne Hathaway does a tremendous job as a shrill caricature of a woman, but the words she's given to say are embarrassing, because Chris Nolan can't write a woman. But she's very good at it. I liked the cast. I thought that the effects were mostly fun. It was a fine retelling of the Odyssey. However, I would rather not watch it again. I would rather watch the miniseries from the nineties, starring Armand Assante as Odysseus, Bernadette Peters as Circe, Vanessa Williams as Calypso. Let's go. I remember being super fond of it when I was a kid. I haven't seen it since, but I do feel like watching it. What did you think about it?

Peter
06:57
I thought that it was fine. I thought that it was a decent movie that I have zero interest in ever watching again. It's long— we knew it was gonna be long. That wasn't a surprise. But you feel it. It doesn't drag, I didn't find that it really dragged, but at the end of the three hours I was like, yes, I don't have any doubt in my mind I watched a three-hour movie. Again, this isn't really a happy story. That's fine. It doesn't need to be. But it is one that you come away from and you just go, oh, the pride of powerful men has been completely fucking everyone over for millennia now. Thank you very much.

Eden
07:46
Yeah. I have to say, Pattinson kills it.

Peter
07:51
Yeah, he's great.

Eden
07:52
The highlight of his generation as an actor. I love Pattinson.

Peter
07:56
I am so grateful, for his sake, that he was able to do the Twilight movies and not get bogged down typecast— and that he's been able to move beyond that and do some truly incredible acting work since then.

Eden
08:15
He and Kristen Stewart both. Neither of them should have been able to make it out of that quagmire they found themselves in, and they both have acquitted themselves very, very well. I gotta say, though, my biggest complaint with the film— and I would be curious, as you read the Odyssey again, how you feel about it— the ending. The last five minutes, I was like, okay, [long fart sound, world's largest jerk-off motion], as they're like, oh, we've gotta leave to the next generation and we must go off onto the sea and blah blah blah. And you're like, that's not how it ends, guys. That's not— I know you're trying to do some metaphorical work in the 2026 milieu, but that landed like a lead balloon to me.

Peter
09:09
It is very much of a wet fart of an ending.

Eden
09:10
Ugh, it was so bad. And it really soured me on the rest of the film, which I thought was pretty okay. But that last five minutes I was like, you ruined it. What are you doing? Why are you ending it this way?

Peter
09:25
Yeah. And I'll be honest, I don't remember how it ends in—

Eden
09:31
He just wins. He comes back, he's the king. That's how it ends.

Peter
09:34
That's what I thought. But it's been so long since I read it that I assumed something else happened, even though I was like, I don't think this is how it ends.

Eden
09:43
And I get what he's doing, because he has turned the film, in a lot of respects, into a question about the sins of the previous generation and the effects of it on the generation to come. So he wants there to be some sort of comeuppance for the previous generation that the original text does not have in it. But it just didn't work for me. Is there a way to do it? Maybe. Is the way that this film did it good? No.

Peter
10:11
Yeah, I can see that.

Eden
10:12
What I really wanted to watch, though, was the Odyssey episode of Wishbone. What's the story, Wishbone? Let's have the dog be Odysseus. Do you know what I bet is even better? The ten minutes of the 22-minute episode where they reenact parts of the Odyssey with a dog as Odysseus. I bet it's great.

Peter
10:32
I bet it is. Yep. So there was that. The other movie that I watched a weekend— I guess it was last Sunday. I was here alone, and I thought to myself, you know what I'll watch? I'll watch Masters of the Universe. So I watched Masters of the Universe.

Eden
10:51
How did you like Masters of the Universe?

Peter
10:53
It's colorful, it's fun, everything looks like a live-action version of the old cartoon. And at the end they tee up a She-Ra movie, and I thought to myself, if they ever make that, or if they make a sequel with She-Ra, I'll watch it when I can stream it. And if they never do, I won't be sad and I'll never miss it, because it was a fun, light, silly, utterly inconsequential movie.

Eden
11:21
Perfectly disposable.

Peter
11:22
Perfectly disposable.

Eden
11:25
A fine time. I liked my time with it much more than I expected to. I thought that them having him be an HR person was funny, I'm not gonna lie. Him trying to use HR de-escalation techniques before he becomes He-Man was my favorite scene in the film. It was very good. But it was fine. Who plays Veronica Lodge? She should be in more stuff— Teela, she should be in more stuff.

Peter
11:54
She was good. She was good.

Eden
11:56
It's one of maybe two or three times that Jared Leto is good in a movie. He's delightful. It doesn't sound like him, and it certainly doesn't look like him, but he is the cattiest gay old man that has ever lived, with his hanger-on beard, Evil-Lyn or whatever her name is— Evil-Lyn, that's right. Teela and Evil-Lyn. They're very funny together.

Peter
12:29
They are. They are. So it was fun. Again, I wanted a little something more from it. I'm not surprised I didn't get it, but I honestly don't know that I could tell you what that something was. I just came away going, that was fun, but whatever.

Eden
12:47
Yeah, that's super fair. I expected it to be terrible, so I was happy with that.

Peter
12:49
You know, I guess I didn't fully expect it to be terrible, but— it was fun. Would I watch it again? No, probably not. If Gareth was like, I want to watch this, and I was in the room, would I sit down and watch parts of it with him? Sure. But would I sit down and say, I'm gonna watch this whole movie with you? Probably not.

Eden
13:14
Yeah, that's super fair.

Peter
13:16
A couple other things worth mentioning. We're continuing to watch Ted Lasso. It's fun, comes out Wednesday night. I was disappointed— my days have been all screwed up, I don't know why— so I was thinking we were gonna have an episode of Ted Lasso to watch after you and I finished recording, and then I remembered no, it's Tuesday, not Wednesday, and I was a little sad. But it's fun. We're watching it. We're continuing to watch Community— boy howdy, in the second season. Does that show get real weird and wacky?

Eden
13:47
Yeah, it does.

Peter
13:49
There have been a few episodes where it's like we finish it and we're like, we gotta take a break, because that's weird.

Eden
13:56
It gets real conceptual in some of those season-two episodes.

Peter
14:00
Yeah, it really does. But a couple things— a couple albums came out that I think are worth us talking about. I don't know if you've listened to them. They're ones I wouldn't be surprised if you've listened to both of these, because they're both bands that I know you've had interest in in the past. Let's talk first about Marrow Deep, the ninth album from Mastodon. Did you happen to see— maybe it was a month or two ago— the band, the three remaining members, released a little kind of 30-minute documentary about Brent Hinds, and just sort of reflecting on everything that went down with that? Did you see that?

Eden
14:39
I did not.

Peter
14:40
It's really well done. And I think they do a good job of kind of pointing out, hey, Brent was an absolutely out-of-control, self-destructive being. And he was our brother, and we loved him, and he was a brilliant musician, and we tried and tried and tried to make it work. But it had reached a point where it sounds like they never knew if he was going to show up to the gig sober enough to actually play. And so that was sort of the impetus for them saying, we can't keep doing this. And it sounds like they've been dealing with this for two-plus decades, like the entire time they've been a band. But it wasn't ever accusatory. I thought they did a good job of just kind of pointing out and saying, this is who he was, and that's why we couldn't keep making it work. But by golly, we loved him, and when he died, it crushed us. And you feel that on Marrow Deep. Have you had a chance to listen to it, Eden?

Eden
15:45
I haven't. I knew it was coming out, but I just haven't gotten around to it. I haven't listened to any new music in like a month and a half.

Peter
15:54
I get ya. I have the advantage that I can have music on while I'm working constantly, whether it's in my office or when I'm doing surgeries. So that's my easy way to get music listening in. I think that it's good. It is definitely evolutionary. It feels distinctly still Mastodon, but you feel the difference. Without Brent's vocals, without his guitar work, it feels like a different band. Nick Johnston, the new guitarist, doesn't feel like he's trying to imitate or ape Brent's style. So it definitely sounds and feels different, but it still is recognizably Mastodon. And I think they really pulled that off. Mastodon's one of those interesting bands where they fall into this progressive sludge, whatever kind of genre you want to put them in. I think they've always been a little hard to easily characterize, and it's probably one of the reasons I like them as much as I do, because they aren't really one note. They're very versatile. But they've had a lot of pathos in their music. I mean, Crack the Skye is a very emotional and somber album. Hushed and Grim, their last big album— which was long, maybe too long— I think definitely too long, but still very good. This is what if Hushed and Grim but a little bit heavier, and again really leaning into that loss. The loss of Brent, Brann Dailor the drummer, the loss of his mother early in— I think she passed away in 2025, I think February of last year. I think he also lost a house to Hurricane Helene in 2024 in Florida. And so you can feel they're really dealing with a lot of this loss and the hard things they've been through as a band. And it feels like an album of them processing their grief. But at the same time, there is an undercurrent of what I think I would call— I really do think there is sort of a hopefulness to it, that makes it so it doesn't feel an oppressive album. It feels an emotional album. It feels like a bit of a gut punch. But at the end of it, it doesn't feel dour. I think they pull off a pretty good album. Is it their best? No. Is it gonna be really hard to top Crack the Skye? I think it's really hard for almost any band to top Crack the Skye. And for me, I think Blood Mountain as well. But I think that it is an absolute triumph of an album for a band that has been through a hell of a lot in the last couple of years, and very easily could have either phoned it in to try and get the paycheck, or said that's it, we're done. And the fact that they've come out with an album that is as strong as it is, that feels like a logical in some ways, but surprising in other ways, evolutionary step for the band, I think it's great. I think Mastodon has pulled out one of their best albums of what I would consider the second half of their career. I would say the first half really peaked with Crack the Skye.

Eden
19:16
Good. I'm eager to check it out.

Peter
19:19
I think on early listens, Marrow Deep is probably the best album for me at least since The Hunter. Well, since Crack the Skye— and you know, the cycle that started with The Hunter, because The Hunter and Once More 'Round the Sun, Emperor of Sand is better. And then, you know, again, Hushed and Grim and this one I think are their two best albums in the last couple of decades, almost. Crack the Skye is like sixteen, seventeen years old now.

Eden
19:40
Yeah.

Peter
19:43
So the other one I want to mention is another just straight-up triumph, and that is Nine by Russian Circles. For a long time I've felt Russian Circles was a really, really good instrumental post-metal band. With Nine, I'm gonna remove that qualifier of "instrumental" and I'm just gonna say Russian Circles is one of the great post-metal bands. As far as I'm concerned, with this they have solidified their standing with the likes of Cult of Luna, Neurosis, Isis. These guys are at the pinnacle of post-metal. Have you had a chance to listen to Nine?

Eden
20:26
Yeah, yes I have. That's the only fresh thing I've heard this entire last month. I agree with you. I was listening to it just earlier today. They're back, baby. They never left.

Peter
20:45
They never left.

Eden
20:47
That's the thing about Russian Circles— they never left. Again, you were talking about how there were ebbs and flows when it came to the quality of a Mastodon album. There were some that were very good. There were some that were just okay. Honestly, I would be hard-pressed to pick the worst Russian Circles album. I couldn't say any of them are bad. But I'm looking at them and I'm like, it's just banger after banger after banger.

Peter
21:10
The only thing I would say is that Station is noticeably less heavy than all of the rest of the albums, but it doesn't make it, by any stretch of the imagination, a bad album.

Eden
21:22
No, it's one of my favorites. Because I'm not as heavy a listener as you are these days. But I like all of their stuff, but Station I think is monumental. But no, Nine is very good.

Peter
21:34
Yeah, yeah. Nine again— you can feel, Gnosis came out and Gnosis was heavier than the album before it. Then we have Nine, which feels like they've ramped that up even more. And the second track, I think Empath was the first single that came out. And I'm listening to it and I'm like, okay, we've got this heavy, fat bass tone, which Brian, the bassist, he's just so present. I love that the bass is so apparent in Russian Circles' music. It's very different than Rush, but that's always been one of the things I loved about Rush— the bass was noticeable, audible, carried the melody in some ways on some Rush songs. And I think Russian Circles make sure they have that ever-present, punchy bass. But then, man, when that main guitar riff of Empath comes in, it's like black-metal-style tremolo riffing, just fast. And I guess they even said that they leaned into death metal influences, older bands like Bolt Thrower and stuff like that. And you can hear this evolution of the band and this evolution of their music. I didn't doubt that it was gonna be good, because like you said, they haven't put out a bad album yet. But I think this is a continued refining of their sound with some subtle evolution, and it shows that there are not very many bands today that are still able to really do that push-pull that makes post-metal one of my favorite genres. You go from the immediacy of Empath into Eluvial, the track that comes after that, which has this long, slow build with some interesting synth and keyboard stuff at the beginning. But man, when that song builds to the end, that is one of the heaviest things I've heard this year. So yeah, I'm loving Nine. Russian Circles— they have not yet disappointed me, and they continue to stand with the greats of post-metal that have been around, in some cases, decades longer than them. Russian Circles stands with them and deserves to be there.

Eden
24:05
Yeah, a hundred percent.

Peter
24:07
What about you? What have you been checking out?

Eden
24:09
Like I said, nothing music-wise other than Nine, because I knew you were gonna bring that up. Problem solved there. But there's really been nothing else new that I've had a chance to listen to. Let's see. Let's start with movies. I talked last time about watching the film Gore. And then that next Sunday we got together and we watched Outlaw of Gore, which was not very good.

Peter
24:32
I was gonna say, the sequel.

Eden
24:34
It was worse than the first one. You can tell it's one of those movies that's made on a budget of approximately thirteen dollars. So there are compromises that must be made regarding the ways that the story progresses based on the budgetary constraints. And that was even more apparent with Outlaw of Gore than it was with Gore. We had a lot of fun making fun of it, though. And another movie we had a lot of fun making fun of this last Sunday was Dracula 3000, starring Casper Van Dien and Coolio.

Peter
25:17
Oh, sweet.

Eden
25:18
Coolio is in the house. And Tiny— Tiny Lister, the big black guy whose nickname is Tiny. I can't think of his name right now, or his surname. Anyway, that movie sucked so bad. It was wretched. Coolio was the only good part of that movie. It's a Dracula Van Helsing. Casper Van Dien plays something Van Helsing, Captain Van Helsing—

Peter
25:51
Captain Abraham Van Helsing.

Eden
25:54
Abraham, yes. He runs a salvage crew that finds a spaceship called the Demeter that's been a derelict floating on its way from the Transylvania system, or some dumb shit like this. They've clearly just been like, let's take it and make it sci-fi. However, Dracula is there, and he's just Dracula. He's wearing a popped collar that's like eight inches off his shoulders. He is the most sauceless Dracula you'll ever see. But he's just there, and he turns Coolio first. So that means Coolio gets to be a vampire.

Peter
26:33
Yeah, I'm seeing Coolio as a vampire.

Eden
26:33
And as soon as he becomes a vampire, instead of pothead, now he's vampire. Delightful. He is chewing the scenery like nobody's business. It's a very bad movie. And it ends— I'm gonna spoil it for you all. This is a movie that does not have a tomato score, but it has a 15% popcorn meter score. And you know what the easiest thing in the world is? It's getting a very high popcorn meter score. The plebs are easy to please when it comes to Rotten Tomatoes. So the fact that it has a 15% rating from the community means this is a very bad film. That only happens—

Peter
27:14
It's got a 2.1 star rating on IMDb. And I think Gore was in the at least fours or fives.

Eden
27:21
That feels about accurate. Yeah, no, 2.1 feels about accurate for this. So I'm gonna spoil the ending, dear listeners. You've gotta know how this bad boy ends. The only ones that are left are a sexy robot lady who is a narc, but used to be a pleasure bot— which you find out in the last scene; she used to be a sex machine and now she is a cop— her and Tiny are the only two who are still alive, as they have decided to fly this spaceship into the nearby sun to kill Dracula. Dracula tries to attack them, so they close the door on Dracula and he loses his arm. And so it cuts to him just going, oh my arm! And then it cuts back to them inside. And that is when the police bot says, did you know I used to be a sex bot? And Tiny goes, I could never afford a sex bot. And she's like, well, we've got twelve hours till we're both gonna die because we're driving this into the sun. Do you wanna go have sex? And he throws her over his shoulder and walks off camera. It cuts to the exterior of the ship. It explodes. The credits start.

Peter
28:41
Okay. That's something.

Eden
28:45
That's an ending. That's an ending to a film right there. It's one of the worst endings I've ever seen to a movie. It's like they forgot the last five minutes of a movie or something. It was so weird. We had a very fun time making fun of it, though. That's why we do this. We don't do this because the movies are good. We do it because it's fun to make fun of them.

Peter
29:05
Right.

Eden
29:06
All right, let's see— reading. I've done a lot of reading of manga. I am trying to get through my backlist. I'm trying to decrease my TBR pile. So a few notable things worth mentioning. I read the four volumes that are released of a manga called Veil, which is about the most insubstantial comic you'll ever read in your life, but it looks incredible. It is about a police officer and a blind lady who works the phones at the police station, in 1920s, question mark, Eastern Europe, question mark. It's an excuse for this artist to draw a bunch of art nouveau ladies. And it looks incredible while being basically about nothing, and nothing has happened. But it looks great. So I enjoyed looking at it, even if I felt like the story was about as substantial as the molecular gastronomy foams that fancy chefs tried to serve you back in the 2010s. Looks great, though. I read a volume called Made to Skate— made as in M-A-I-D, Made to Skate. It's about maids who skateboard.

Peter
30:32
Of course. I mean, it's right there.

Eden
30:36
Like it says on the title. Why do these young women work as maids in a large manor? And everyone knows that the maids are from the large manor and that they skateboard everywhere. I don't know. Whose manor is this? Why do they have maids? You don't find out. What you do see is some of the sickest art you could possibly imagine— of maids in big frilly maid outfits doing sick, sick tricks on a skateboard. It looks real cool. It's a very cool-looking book. Again, there's nothing there. The girls are funny, they skateboard, they do different types of tricks, they're friends with each other. It was genuinely born out of a person on social media who would draw pictures of maids skating, and then someone said, you should turn this into a comic. And they did, I guess, question mark.

Peter
31:30
And you weren't kidding when you said— I mean, these are like full-on big old ankle-length—

Eden
31:36
It's ankle-length, big frilly apron, the hat, the whole kitten caboodle. And then they're wearing Vans and they're skateboarding, and it looks cool as hell.

Peter
31:45
Yeah.

Eden
31:49
But there's nothing there. It was, again, molecular gastronomy of comics. It was great. I also— I've been listening to an audiobook. I started it while I was doing my long drive from Providence, Rhode Island to Syracuse, New York, stuck in a car by myself. And then when we got back home, I didn't listen to an audiobook anymore, because I was like, that was for driving, but then I don't drive anymore once I'm home. But I finally finished it while I was mowing the lawn the other day. And that is a book called Spice and Wolf, which is a book about a traveling merchant who has an encounter with a god of the harvest wolf who can turn into a woman. And then they go on an adventure together. And she is— Holo the Wise Wolf is very wise, and very shrewd, and starts helping him with his business decisions, because he is a good trader, but she is an impeccable discerner of people's thoughts, and when people are maybe being untoward or underhanded, or maybe they're trying to cheat you in the way that they're measuring things. It's very insubstantial, again. I liked it, though. It was quite fun. It was good. I started up the second one, but I haven't had to mow since. So we'll see— I guess this is my mowing thing, as I listen to Spice and Wolf. There's like sixteen of 'em, so it'll take me a while.

Peter
33:22
There you go. You're not out there every week.

Eden
33:29
God, no. I don't want my yard to look like a golf course. In a perfect world, I would remove the grass. I hate grass. What is this, eighteenth-century France? Get the heck out of here. The last thing I read that I would mention— so there's a new— we talked about the Ultimate Universe that Marvel did a couple years ago that ended earlier this year. We've talked about the Absolute Universe that DC is doing right now. Marvel is doing another one of these. This one is called the Midnight Universe. So these are all specifically horror-themed books. They are set to come out— all three of them are coming out October 7th, and they are the only comics Marvel is releasing that day, which is an interesting choice. But when you work in the industry, sometimes they send you PDFs before final order cutoff, so you can decide how many copies of the comic you should buy. So I had the opportunity to read the first three issue number ones of the Midnight Universe line. So there's Midnight X-Men, which is basically a vampire story— half the X-Men that you know are vampires. There's Midnight Fantastic Four, which is a very different start to a Fantastic Four book, because the four don't know each other at the start of the book. Reed Richards doesn't know the Storms or Ben Grimm. So it's going in a different spot. And then Midnight Spider-Man, which is going in a very strong body-horror angle. To be fair, Fantastic Four also seems like it's going in a big body-horror angle. They're fairly good. I had a good time with them. If folks are interested in reading some horror-themed comics that are maybe about characters you know a little bit about already, this might be a fun way to do that starting this October. I gotta say, the art for Midnight Spider-Man knocks it out of the park. It's really, really cool. Looks great. There is, however, one panel— I'll just describe it, because I shouldn't show it to you because it's watermarked and all that sort of stuff. In this version of Spider-Man, Felicia Hardy is like an evil MILF, instead of the same age as Peter Parker— because Peter Parker is a teen, and she's like an evil MILF. There's this scene where she goes to introduce herself to Peter Parker, and she's wearing an extremely low-cut blouse. And then there is a panel of it from her angle, and literally two-thirds of the panel is filled with her breasts, and you just see Peter through the cleavage. And I was like, why did you do it like that, guys? That's unnecessary.

Peter
36:13
That's a choice, for sure.

Eden
36:17
What are you doing? It was a choice. It was a very— I think, bad choice. Other than that, the book looked great. But that one panel, I was like, I wouldn't have done that. But what do I know? And you know, that's enough of my stuff. I've been playing Fields of Mistria. A big thing just happened right before we jumped in this call, so I gotta go back and find out what's happening.

Peter
36:37
Oh, boy. Ho, cow.

Eden
36:44
Let's just say, maybe there's a second dragon in this town. Maybe there's two dragons. You know, weirder things have happened. So, for our activity today, I wanted to do something that would be easy. I had an idea of a thing to do, and then I forgot to tell Peter for a week. And I was like, well, is it something we could have done in two weeks? Absolutely. Is it a thing we could do in one week? Probably, but I don't feel like putting the pressure on him. So we're gonna do something that requires no prep, but I think will be very fun. And it was prompted by a conversation I read the other day. And it's a conversation you see fairly frequently in the comic book space. And that is the idea of who is the Mount Rushmore of comic book characters. So not your four favorites, but your four biggest. And so, obviously Batman and Superman and Spider-Man are all there. It really comes down to who's your fourth person. Is it Wonder Woman? Is it Wolverine? And those are your options. So this is an argument people have been having forever about the Mount Rushmore. So that's not the interesting part. The funny part was, I saw someone the other day trying to say, what's the Mount Rushmore of comic book publishers? And they said DC, Marvel, IDW, and Dark Horse. And I was like, comic book fans are stupid. Because that's absolutely not— DC maybe, because they were the first superheroes, even though I like Marvel better. Because this is about most important, not favorite. So DC, obviously. But where's the manga? Where's Scholastic? If you wanna talk about the publication of comics in the twenty-first century, talk about how Scholastic turned every kid into a comic reader. Anyway, so those two kind of things percolating in my brain have brought me to what we're gonna do today, which is— I have a number of topics, and we are going to discuss, what is the Mount Rushmore of X thing? The top four, the most important four.

Peter
38:48
Okay.

Eden
38:49
And we're gonna start with a banger. What's the Mount Rushmore of sandwiches, Peter?

Peter
38:56
The Mount Rushmore of sandwiches.

Eden
38:59
The four most important sandwiches.

Peter
39:03
I mean, I'm gonna start and say a PB&J has to be there.

Eden
39:08
It has to be there. Non-Americans don't understand it. It is so funny to see videos of Europeans especially coming to America and being like, you don't really eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, right? That's just a thing that's made up for TV. And then someone offers them a PB&J on Wonder Bread, and they go, my eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the PB&J.

Peter
39:31
I mean, kind of like the World Cup when people tried ranch for the first time.

Eden
39:37
Exactly so. The PB&J is the sweet-and-salty sandwich equivalent of ranch dressing. So I think that definitely has to go there.

Peter
39:49
This is hard. And it's hard because my brain keeps wanting to default to my favorites.

Eden
40:02
Here's one for you— the deli Italian sandwich. Italian sandwich from a deli. Your Italian cured meats— capicola, your gabagool, your pastrami, your salami.

Peter
40:16
Salami, a good provolone, the salt and pepper, the finely shredded lettuce.

Eden
40:21
The oil, the vinegar, the salt, the provolone, the thinly sliced tomatoes.

Peter
40:30
The pepperoncinis, or the banana peppers if you want a little less.

Eden
40:40
And some olives— you gotta have some olives on there.

Peter
40:52
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that definitely goes. I feel like it's a— well, I'm a little torn between a club and a BLT.

Eden
41:00
I think it's the BLT.

Peter
41:01
I think it is too, after I said it, which makes me sad, because I really don't like a BLT. But I think it's a BLT.

Eden
41:06
The BLT is just too insubstantial. It needs more than just the bacon.

Peter
41:10
You can't put enough bacon on it to make it really meaty. I mean, if you can, then it becomes too much bacon. There's gotta be something else to offset.

Eden
41:18
Yeah, that's the problem.

Peter
41:20
You gotta have other meat for the bacon, which is kind of why I was thinking the club. But I think a BLT is more classic than a club.

Eden
41:26
Yeah. I would order a club, but I would put a BLT on Mount Rushmore.

Peter
41:31
Yeah. Okay, so we've got one more slot to fill. I know what I wanna say should be there, but I don't know that it hangs.

Eden
41:37
What do you want to say?

Peter
41:38
I want a Reuben on there. I want a Reuben on there. I want some pastrami, some Thousand Island dressing, I want the kraut, I want the rye.

Eden
41:49
Oh, I do love a Reuben. I think the diversity of bread might be what lets the Reuben sing. And here's the thing— I think with your fourth choice you can go a little unorthodox, because if you think about Mount Rushmore itself, who's on Mount Rushmore?

Peter
42:03
You got Washington, you got Lincoln.

Eden
42:03
George Washington. Lincoln. You got Jefferson, he's kind of a side case. And then you got fucking Teddy Roosevelt on there. Get the fuck out of town, Teddy Roosevelt. You don't hang with those other guys. So that's why number four can be kind of an edge case, I think.

Peter
42:20
Okay. Yeah.

Eden
42:22
So I'm fine with the Reuben.

Peter
42:22
Let's put the Reuben in there.

Eden
42:24
And I do have to say, dear listeners, these are American sandwiches. We are not bringing in international sandwiches, because then it opens it too wide. It's too wide.

Peter
42:35
Too much, too much.

Eden
42:36
The only reason sandwiches is on this list is because last Saturday I went to Annie's Vietnamese sandwiches for the first time in a couple of months. And I had a pork belly banh mi. Oh my god, Peter. The pork belly banh mi at Annie's Vietnamese sandwiches in downtown Iowa City. Second-best sandwich in the entire state, no question. Best sandwich? The Salvadoran place down the street that makes a pan con pollo. Oh my god. That's a sandwich. But again, one is Vietnamese, one is Salvadoran, so they're the best sandwiches in this entire state. They don't make the Mount Rushmore, because this is America.

Peter
43:17
It's true. Okay.

Eden
43:21
Mount Rushmore number two— doorstopper fantasy series. I'm gonna be relying on you a lot here.

Peter
43:29
Doorstopper fantasy series. I mean, by doorstopper, we just mean big books.

Eden
43:33
Yeah, I think we're just saying big books.

Peter
43:37
It doesn't even compare to the other ones I'm gonna put on here, but I think Lord of the Rings has gotta be there.

Eden
43:47
Lord of the Rings is your George Washington. It's the first one.

Peter
43:51
Yeah, it's gotta be there. While I definitely have some issues with it, I think Wheel of Time needs to be there.

Eden
44:02
I think it's cultural legacy. It's long-lasting cultural legacy, I think, that earns it a spot.

Peter
44:08
I think so too.

Eden
44:10
And one thing it's got that nothing else has— that killer Unreal Engine Wheel of Time game from the nineties.

Peter
44:17
It's true, it's true. I feel like, especially because of the HBO series, Game of Thrones needs to be there.

Eden
44:29
Yeah. I think it has to be in the conversation, at the very least. I think a younger me would have said Shannara needs to make the list, but no one's talked about Terry Brooks in 25 years.

Peter
44:41
I was gonna say, I think in the eighties and maybe even the nineties, Shannara has a spot there. But I don't think it holds there. I think it's faded.

Eden
44:53
It doesn't hang.

Peter
45:01
Now, you say doorstopper fantasy series, and so here's my argument: Dune is just as much fantasy as it is science fiction.

Eden
45:08
If we're saying that Dune is fantasy, it absolutely has to make the top four. In terms of the cultural influence that Dune has had, the only big speculative-fiction thing I can think of that's had a bigger and more outsized influence is Lord of the Rings.

Peter
45:27
I agree. And I guess the reason I would say Dune belongs there is because, as I read Dune, yes, there's science fiction— folding of space, this, that, and the other— but there is so much about it that is mystical. They never explain why the Bene Gesserit can do what the Bene Gesserit can do. They just can. They never explain the gholas and the cloning tanks of the Bene Tleilax. They just do it. They can keep cloning Duncan Idaho over and over again. I mean, you look at Leto II turning into a sandworm— it's more magic than it is science. And so I look at Star Wars and I say, Star Wars is at least as much fantasy, if not more fantasy, than it is science fiction, once you actually pay attention.

Eden
46:08
I agree.

Peter
46:18
I would say there's more science fiction to Dune, but I think there is ample fantasy. So I would argue that Dune needs to be there.

Eden
46:25
I think that's a very good pick. I was afraid you were gonna tell me that Brando Sando needs to be on there.

Peter
46:31
No. Brandon Sanderson absolutely does not need to be on there. Not only is he too recent, but Brandon Sanderson is too— how do I put this nicely? And I say this as somebody who has read pretty much everything the man has written. He's too disposable. It just doesn't hang, from a relevance standpoint. And again, I'm the guy who said Game of Thrones needs to be on there, despite the fact that I refuse to watch the show, and after reading the first book, I noped out of reading the rest of them. So this is not a fandom thing. This is just me saying, I think Brandon Sanderson has had an outsized impact on small areas of fantasy and book talk. But I think, from a bigger picture, as much as I like some of the things he has written, I don't think any of them will have the same lasting impact as those four that we've already mentioned.

Eden
47:27
Yeah. Well, and of those four that we've currently put on there, honestly the biggest edge case, as I think about it, is probably Wheel of Time, in terms of its cultural influence outside the pocket that is popular fantasy. I mean, it had a TV show, sure, but it was not a TV show on the level of Game of Thrones. Song of Ice and Fire, whatever it is—

Peter
47:58
A Song of Ice and Fire. That's the series.

Eden
48:01
Yeah. Like, that has had a much larger cultural footprint than Jordan has. But I think I still would put Jordan there, just because of the longevity, and the way that you can see— if in 2026 someone were to start reading The Wheel of Time, they would be like, man, this feels so derivative. And then you would say, look at the publication date. And they'd say, oh, everyone's been ripping Robert Jordan off.

Peter
48:27
Everyone else has been derivative of what Robert Jordan started doing.

Eden
48:31
Everyone's been ripping Robert Jordan off. Everything that they say gets taken from Tolkien— about half of that actually comes from Robert Jordan, and not actually from Tolkien. Because it comes from the Lord of the Rings films, which are very different than the books. It must be stated.

Peter
48:47
Correct. So I think that's a solid four.

Eden
48:53
Next up, a very important one— big four movie musicals.

Peter
48:58
Ooh, I'm gonna have to rely on you for this one, because I'm not a musical fan.

Eden
49:01
I can't do a whole lot. I don't like musicals.

Peter
49:03
I don't either.

Eden
49:04
I'm not a musical person either. But that's why it'll be funny. West Side Story. It's the only musical I like. It's the only musical I own, is West Side Story.

Peter
49:14
I'm gonna say Hello, Dolly!, because of the role it plays in WALL-E. The fact that it shows up in WALL-E and is such a key part of that movie. And plus you've got Streisand, you've got the Phantom of the Opera before he was the Phantom of the Opera in it—

Eden
49:37
Yeah, I can't think of his name either.

Peter
49:39
—you've got the old grumpy dude with the big nose. I feel terrible, I'm blank on everybody's names except Barbra Streisand. Walter Matthau— you got Walter Matthau in it. I think it's a good one. I don't know if it hangs, but I might throw out The Music Man, the original Music Man film.

Eden
49:58
Listen, that's from around here. That's Iowa-coded, so I respect it. The only other thing I could think of, the one that in my gut is like, of course that needs to be there— Singin' in the Rain.

Peter
50:09
Yeah, yeah, I'll give you that. I think so.

Eden
50:11
Singin' in the Rain. I think that's our four, then.

Peter
50:13
I think we're gonna take it.

Eden
50:14
West Side Story, Music Man, Singin' in the Rain, Hello, Dolly!. I like that. That's a good set. Look at us, we made a Mount Rushmore of musicals.

Peter
50:19
Yeah, and look— musical fans out there, come at us. Bring it on. Just let us know.

Eden
50:28
Let us know what we should have kicked off and what we should have put on instead.

Peter
50:31
Because we're admitting that we are—

Eden
50:32
I'm not kicking off West Side Story. That is my hard line. West Side Story is the best musical.

Peter
50:39
Yeah, no, West Side Story totally hangs. It deserves to be there. It's the good one that we know is on the list.

Eden
50:48
We've got another fun one here. Western RPGs— Western RPG video games.

Peter
50:57
Western, not JRPGs.

Eden
50:56
Okay.

Peter
50:57
Yep. So I'm gonna say Baldur's Gate II.

Eden
51:02
Baldur's Gate II, not Baldur's Gate I, absolutely, because Baldur's Gate I is the genesis. But who took that engine the furthest in terms of its cultural penetration? Baldur's Gate II. Is Planescape: Torment a better game? Yes. It's not about Rushmore. It's a favorite.

Peter
51:19
Well, the thing with Planescape: Torment is it is far too niche. I mean, Planescape: Torment would be the equivalent of putting— I don't know— having somebody put Grover Cleveland on Mount Rushmore and have people recognize who the fuck he is. So while Planescape: Torment is fantastic, it's too niche.

Eden
51:45
What Bethesda game— it's Skyrim. It's Skyrim.

Peter
51:47
Yeah, it's Skyrim. It's for sure Skyrim. I think Diablo II— I know it's an action RPG—

Eden
51:58
I still count it. I would say, if it was a Diablo, it would be two, I think.

Peter
52:06
Yeah, out of the Diablo games, I think two's the one that needs to be on there. I wanna put Mass Effect out there. I don't know if it deserves to be, but I wanna put Mass Effect on there because I love them so much. And I think that in the last fifteen-plus years, it was highly influential.

Eden
52:21
Oh, I think so too. Everybody wants to be Mass Effect, and nobody pulls it off.

Peter
52:31
Yeah. I'm trying to think of other big Westerns— again, I think you could go back and say either Fallout or Fallout 2, but—

Eden
52:36
Fallout 2. Again, too niche. Those games suck to play. Every single one of us booted it up, played two hours, and we're like, this battle system is ass. And then none of us played any more of the game.

Peter
52:49
Yeah.

Eden
52:51
So I think that alone would let me give it to Mass Effect. A regular-degular person can play it without beating their head against a wall, which you can't with Fallout.

Peter
52:59
That's true. No, you cannot. I remember I never did finish Fallout 2. I finished the first Fallout game, and the only reason I got through is because it was literally a step-by-step walkthrough. Go here, do this, search for this, search for that, to try to understand how to play that game. And I still finished it and I was like, that was incredibly unsatisfying.

Eden
53:22
Yeah. I think there are interesting ideas in those first couple Fallout games, though— not fun to play. I don't wanna play 'em.

Peter
53:28
No, I think that's a good four. Baldur's Gate II, Diablo II, Skyrim, and Mass Effect. I would go with that. Even though I like Mass Effect 2 better, I think if we're picking one, it needs to be the first game.

Eden
53:39
Well, that's because it's the best one. But we've relitigated that conversation on here before. We all know that I like it when our game is very janky.

Peter
53:49
It's very janky comparatively.

Eden
53:50
Because that is what Mass Effect 1 is. It is extremely janky. Even in the anniversary edition, or the collector's edition, whatever the heck they call that new one—

Peter
53:57
The legendary— Mass Effect Legendary Edition.

Eden
53:59
Legendary. Still janky.

Peter
54:01
Oh, no, that jank is all over that thing.

Eden
54:02
I'm glad they kept it. I was very afraid when they announced that— I was like, if they put clips in Mass Effect 1, I'm gonna flip a bitch.

Peter
54:12
Nope.

Eden
54:13
And they didn't. It's still just the terrible overheating system as God intended.

Peter
54:16
Yep, it is true.

Eden
54:18
All right. Here's another food one for you. Mount Rushmore of pizza toppings. Not the cheese, not the pizza sauce, not the crust—

Peter
54:27
[sauce]

Eden
54:31
—the things that you put on there.

Peter
54:33
I mean, pepperoni has to be there.

Eden
54:35
Pepperoni. Here's a thing that I'm gonna say. And I think that we can say combinations of toppings, so if you wanted to say two things together, I think that's allowed. Because I am going to say ham and pineapple. I know it's heretical. I know many people say you shouldn't put pineapple on a pizza, and those people are wrong.

Peter
54:58
They are. They're wrong. I don't love it. It's not my favorite kind, but I've never had a piece of pizza with ham and pineapple and thought, shoot, I wish I hadn't eaten it. I'm always like, yes, I'll have another slice. Thank you very much.

Eden
55:13
That's what I'm saying. You can also put the pineapple on your barbecue chicken pizza. It's good. I like it. All right— pepperoni, ham and pineapple, sausage— like Italian sausage.

Peter
55:26
I mean, I like it. I like it. I think it—

Eden
55:30
Is it a Mount Rushmore, though?

Peter
55:32
That's the problem. I feel like maybe what we need to do is, instead of picking individual toppings, maybe we have combinations.

Eden
55:43
It's a whole— it's a supreme pizza.

Peter
55:45
Like a supreme, a combo that's got— and, yeah, maybe that feels like a cop-out, but I think that that's—

Eden
55:51
I think we've pushed this there by me saying ham and pineapple, because that's just a pizza.

Peter
55:55
It is a pizza.

Eden
55:57
That's two toppings.

Peter
55:56
It is.

Eden
56:02
So I think we could say pepperoni— then I think that rounds out our four real easy, because cheese pizza. If we're just saying four best pizzas: cheese pizza, pepperoni pizza, ham and pineapple, and a supreme.

Peter
56:07
And a supreme. Yeah.

Eden
56:11
You put the Italian sausage on there. You put the onions, the peppers, the olives.

Peter
56:14
And the olives and the mushrooms and—

Eden
56:17
Cassie is annoyed that the olives are on there and picks them off and puts them on my pieces. It's great.

Peter
56:23
I love some olives on my pizza.

Eden
56:27
It's about the only time I actually like to eat olives— when it's on a pizza or an Italian sandwich, as we just discussed earlier.

Peter
56:29
Okay. There you go. I think that's a solid four pizzas.

Eden
56:37
All right. So I think this will be our last one. I have some more listed, but I think this will be a good one to end it on— television detectives. The Mount Rushmore of television detectives.

Peter
56:48
Okay. I know my first name I wanna throw out there, but I feel like I should let you throw it out there.

Eden
56:54
It's the same one I'm thinking of. Just one more thing.

Peter
57:00
Columbo.

Eden
57:02
Yeah. Columbo's absolutely on there.

Peter
57:04
Yep, I knew. Hundred percent.

Eden
57:07
He's the king. There's a reason they made like eighteen seasons of that show, and every one's a movie, and they're all fun to watch. So there's our first one— Columbo, obviously. This is harder than I expected it to be.

Peter
57:21
This is a tough one, because I don't watch a lot of shows with detectives in them.

Eden
57:29
That's true. I think the combo of Stabler and Mariska Hargitay's character from SVU— in terms of putting them on the Mount Rushmore, the two leads from Law & Order: Special Victims Unit absolutely have to go on there. Mariska Hargitay has been on that show for a thousand years. She'll never leave.

Peter
57:57
It's true. It's true. I don't know if we're gonna count this— if it hangs, but I would throw out there maybe Thomas Magnum, Magnum P.I.

Eden
58:07
Magnum P.I. absolutely is on there. He's so stylish. If it's between him and Tubbs and Crockett from Miami Vice, I would rather watch Miami Vice. But Magnum P.I. has a larger influence on the culture as a whole.

Peter
58:22
Uh-huh. I'm kind of trying to look at a list here and see.

Eden
58:28
My question is— if we're going to edge cases, does Jessica Fletcher from Murder, She Wrote count?

Peter
58:34
I mean, I wouldn't argue— she does solve a lot of murders.

Eden
58:37
She solves a lot of murders, but she's an author. She's not necessarily a detective.

Peter
58:41
I think you could make a similar case for Perry Mason, where he's a lawyer, but he's not a detective, but he solves a lot of stuff.

Eden
58:50
That's true.

Peter
58:55
I mean, you could throw out Sherlock Holmes. There have been many iterations of him, but there's been a lot of TV ones.

Eden
58:59
I think in terms of cultural penetration, Sherlock should be on there. Which one? I'm not sure.

Peter
59:06
I honestly don't really care. I just think we should have Sherlock on there. And this one, again, I'm not gonna say it necessarily belongs, but I'm gonna say this out loud from the deepest place of my heart— Raymond Holt. Captain Raymond Holt, because I still think he is one of the greatest TV characters that's ever been created.

Eden
59:28
I mean, he's on my favorites for sure. A hundred percent.

Peter
59:35
By the time he's on the show, he's much less of a detective, so I can't really say he needs to be there. But I have to mention him, because I love him so much as a character.

Eden
59:45
That show's good is a thing. Every time I watch any of that show, though, I just think to myself, should I go back and finish Homicide: Life on the Street? 'Cause guess who else is there? It's him— except he's a detective and not funny and gay.

Peter
01:00:04
Yeah, yep.

Eden
01:00:04
He's straight and very serious.

Peter
01:00:04
Yep. That's the beautiful thing about his character on Brooklyn Nine-Nine— he is so serious while at the same time being gay and being ridiculous.

Eden
01:00:17
It's so true. It's a pretty good show, Brooklyn Nine-Nine. That's a pretty okay show.

Peter
01:00:22
It is, it is. What about— what if we were to throw out— okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna say who I think needs to be on there.

Eden
01:00:29
Hit me.

Peter
01:00:32
Batman.

Eden
01:00:34
He is the world's greatest detective.

Peter
01:00:35
He is the world's greatest detective, and there have been many TV iterations of him. I think Batman needs to be on there.

Eden
01:00:41
I think he absolutely belongs there more than some of the other people we've said, for sure. More than Magnum P.I., that's for damn sure.

Peter
01:00:48
Yeah. Honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, Columbo and Batman are the two where I'm drawing a hard line. They gotta be there.

Eden
01:00:56
They gotta be there. I'm with you. Columbo, Batman, Sherlock Holmes.

Peter
01:01:00
Yep— Columbo, Batman, Sherlock Holmes.

Eden
01:01:00
That's your big three. And then there's that fourth edge case, as we've been talking about. And that could be anyone.

Peter
01:01:06
It could be. It could be.

Eden
01:01:08
You could throw whoever you want in there.

Peter
01:01:08
I'd kind of like to see Angela Lansbury's face up there, from Murder, She Wrote.

Eden
01:01:15
Listen, put Jessica— yeah, put Jessica Fletcher up there.

Peter
01:01:18
I think she ought to be on there.

Eden
01:01:18
I love that show.

Peter
01:01:21
I think that's what we go with.

Eden
01:01:22
She's our Teddy Roosevelt for TV detectives.

Peter
01:01:24
That's right. That's right. I love it.

Eden
01:01:29
Well, thank you for indulging me. I thought this would be fun, and it was.

Peter
01:01:31
Oh, that was great. That was a ton of fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Eden
01:01:33
Cool. Well, thank you all for listening, dear listeners. I hope you also thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. If you have any feedback about people we left off of the Mount Rushmores, or things we left off, or things we put on there that absolutely should not have been there, let us know. Sound off. You can contact us at—

Peter
01:01:54
Feedback at The Middle of Culture.

Eden
01:01:54
No— feedback@themiddleofculture.com. I remember email addresses. I got it. And we'll be back in a couple of weeks with another new episode.

Peter
01:02:04
We will. Until then, adios.

Eden
01:02:06
Bye.